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They can't give 100% answers, but they do certainly give indications for one possibility or the other. Clearly, relevant information - if not perfect information.

Tulpas are not equal. Some of them are quite independent, some are hardly different from imaginary friends of children. Still, its up to host what they want. If they want a girl that giggles all the time, what's wrong with it?

@Deleted User The above is based on the idea that a 'tulpa' thinks in a manner independent from the host, rather than simply being a character the host manouvers around.

if that's one personality trait among several in an autonomous individual, nothing I guess, but I think winter was describing something quite different from that

[I still don't really like the idea of things like body language or typing style determining these things. I mean those things are subconscious and you share a brain. I think you can be independent while sharing such things. Also I kinda feel pressured to intentionally try and change those stuff to conform with that idea at times which really annoys me.]

Something that differentiates a 'tulpa' from an 'imaginary friend', as the two generally aren't considered to be equivalent.

7:38 PM

Otherwise, why use a separate term?

7:39 PM

I genuinely do not care if somebody wants to make a roleplay character. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and if they are satisfied with a roleplay character they can treat as separate (to some extent), I hope they enjoy it.

To be honest, I think most of tulpas are just imaginary friends. Not that it's bad or I think they are worse than me or my friends.

I do, however, take issue with equivocating that to a tulpa that is independent and not simply a puppet that acts in accordance to the host's whims.

[Why not rather define "imaginary friend" I like the idea more. An imaginary friend is a thoughtform which you have to actively control for it to do stuff. Humm does that make everything else a tulpa though? yeah. Then again the line between "autonomous character" and "tulpa" has never been clear anyway.]

As much as I would love if it were not the case, people love making claims they wish to be true and then rationalizing them - essentially drawing a conclusion based on wishes, and then trying to support it after the fact.

Is a tulpa independent not-a-puppet from the beginning? Or does it evolve from a fictional character gradually?

...this, as opposed to the reverse: Having a goal, and trying to determine what would require it in the first place.

indeed

@Deleted User I would say that a tulpa develops to be independent gradually. Before that, they are in development and people call them a 'tulpa' at that point, but if we are to speak technically rather than in terms used for practicality, they are not tulpas yet.

7:43 PM

@Sete I'm afraid it isn't quite as simple as that, given the claims of 'daemon', 'soulbond', etc as separate ideas.

@Sete , people having imaginary friends also experience their (illusion of) independent agency.

7:44 PM

It's not like they always control all their actions.

And of course I disagree with how he defines tulpas. Since I look at it from a more experience-based perspective. and would probably call something of a lower development stage than him a tulpa as well.

Equivocating all of these ideas does mislead people. "I want a tulpa" becomes a statement that could mean: "I want a daemon." or "I want a soulbond." or "I want a sex toy I pretend is a person." or "I want a <tulpa> as defined here".

yes, but that's not the same as actual independent agency

though development in itself is iffy as well

7:44 PM

oh well

These are all different things that people can want, with different ways to go about achieving them, so equivocating all of them misleads people and doesn't guide them to the resources they actually need.

maybe age? yeah that works

7:45 PM

eh not really

In any case, I think I'm done here at this point.

if an imaginary friend experiences independent agency. Are they still really just an imaginary friend @Deleted User?

depends on where you draw the line of imaginary.

it doesn't really matter what you call them. a name is a name is a name

to some people its imaginary as long as it isn't physical. To some it stops being imaginary when it has an actual personality (edited)

7:47 PM

your call.

7:48 PM

@Sete , they're children (or adults) who experience illusion of independent agency of their imaginary companions.

right. But if they experience independent agency I'd still probably call them as more than just imaginary friends whose actions you directly control. It's a step above it.

the terminology for this already exists

7:50 PM

servitors being the ones without independent agency

7:50 PM

maybe you can guess what the ones with it are called

7:51 PM

you'll get a free cookie

ha

I think the definition of imaginary friends doesn't include "imaginary friends can't give an impression of independent agency"

Debatable.

Wikipedia classifies tulpas as imaginary friends, for what little it’s worth.

I have a lot to say about Wikipedia's tulpa page and none of it is good. Read the talk page there if you are interested

10:13 PM

Actually funny thing. After my attempt at Wikipedia editing I have made it a habit of also checking the talk pages.

Always a good idea to check talk and edit history on those things.

Oh god. Poor Foszae lol

10:41 PM

Oh god.

10:45 PM

Okay, Bright

️ needs a topic ban Jesus Christ.

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I hate Bright so much

again

11:23 PM

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He is the editor who basically took over the wikipedia tulpa page.

ah

And is pretty much the sole reason the page is such a nightmare

bleh

Have you tried escalating beyond WP:DR?

I Am Not Dealing With Wikipedia Editing Again

11:50 PM

too much stress and effort

11:52 PM

But no I didn't. With that Bright guy around you would need to keep escalating and escalating if you want anything done

So you keep escalating until it becomes a TTGL-esque battle between the forces of good and evil played out on a cosmic stage then? I fail to see the problem here, unless the problem is not enough spiral power

I feel like sometimes my visualization of my tulpa is at a disconnect from their consciousness

4:13 AM

I assist them in talking but it isn't exactly parroting

4:13 AM

I still feel like I'm doing it kind of wrong

Question: when the body is tired/has gotten little sleep, do tulpas feel the same? I.e. assuming a host is fronting at the moment, does physical well-being impact the mental capacity of the whole group? I would assume so but I wanted to ask for clarification

For us in our limited experience, it seems that the one in front takes the biggest tired hit.

5:18 AM

But anyone in back still gets maybe half that.

yeah, that's pretty accurate for us as well

sounds about right

You can't outrun physical exhaustion, but you can with mental exhaustion. That's the case for us - Mental exhaustion occurs at a more rapid pace when I'm switched with my host, which in turn causes physical exhaustion whereas my host seems to still be mostly in "shape" if we both decide he wants to switch back.

I find when I try to "switch" or have my tulpa take over it generally fries my brain

7:42 AM

And she can only do it for a limited time, or in a limited capacity

7:42 AM

Its from a lack of practice, sure, but I sure as hell can't find a way to circumvent it other than old fashioned persistence and practice

My tulpas protected me from a nightmare creature in my dream last night. :3

that sounds interesting

1:01 PM

how so?

sorry if i offended, wasn't my intention

1:10 PM

unless you yourself was joking

1:13 PM

(it's incredibly rude to ignore us)

1:16 PM

could at least say fuck off

Hm?

1:34 PM

Me?

chill

I'm in several servers, so I'm not just staring at this channel all day. <.<

getting hostile is wholly unnecessary Ilnezar

You know what, I'll just tell Felight. o4o

1:36 PM

In my dream, I read one of those creepypasta things, and it summoned a Japanese movie ghost.

1:37 PM

Frightened, I awoke. But then I realized I could just pull my tulpas into the dream, so I closed my eyes and went back.

1:37 PM

Then they just floated around me so I could sleep long enough for it to be morning. ^^

i was never hostile (edited)

Then I suppose you weren't talking to me. :?

just felt ignored

Maybe realize that just because someone takes a while to respond, doesn't mean they're ignoring you

1:42 PM

try pinging them instead of getting aggravated over it

alternatively, wait till your'e available to start a conversation

I wasn't starting a conversation since I wasn't talking to anyone in specific. <.<

yes and no

It's not a big deal dude

you had a thing to say, you obviously wanted people to see it and wanted a response